Investment Analysis and Property Management with Raphael Collazo
April 21, 2022
“They see all these these these properties out there that are just trading at ridiculous cap rates and the money's the cash flow is not there and they're just like, I have to buy something. There's no other opportunity.”
Raphael Collazo is a licensed commercial real estate agent specializing in retail and multi-family properties. Transitioning from a career in software, Raphael brings a strong technical background and a love for dissecting complex problems to his client interactions.
Prior to joining the Grisanti Group, Raphael worked as a software implementation consultant for FAST Enterprises, a software company that provides C.O.T.S software products to government agencies. Having lived and worked in various locations around the United States and abroad including Pordenone, Italy, Phoenix, Arizona, Washington D.C, San Juan, Puerto Rico, and Louisville Kentucky, Raphael has gained a unique understanding of cultural intricacies and has leveraged those experiences to expand his professional network to better serve his clients.
Raphael is also the author of the Millennial Playbook series, a book series that focuses on personal and professional development topics for young professionals. He wrote his latest book, "Before You Sign That Lease" to help business owners with the often difficult process of leasing commercial real estate. As a performance coach and speaker, he's also had the opportunity to speak to thousands of students and professionals on a wide range of subjects.
Investment Analysis and Property Management with Raphael Collazo
Brett:
I'm excited about our next guest. He is out of the great state of Kentucky, originally from Italy, and spent some time in Arizona. He's a licensed commercial real estate agent specializing in income-producing property transitioning from a career in software. He began to bring a strong typical background and love for dissecting complex problems to his client interactions. These characteristic characteristics enable him to provide innovative and effective real estate solutions to help his clients get the most out of each transaction. Please welcome to the show with me, Raphael Collazo. Raphael, how are you doing?
Raphael:
Great. You did a great job saying my last name so that's awesome.
Brett:
I do the best I can I got the Swarts. I think it's a little bit, butchered sometimes. But I'm with you and with you. And I appreciate you being on the show. And, and excited to get to know you a little more. I had the privilege of being on your show, which we'll mention here later during the show. Let's dive right in. For our listeners wanting to get to know you a little bit more. Would you give us a little bit more about your story and your current focus?
Raphael:
As you mentioned, kind of in the introduction. My name is Rocco Yasuo, I'm located here in the great state of Kentucky at Louisville in Louisville. Actually, I was born in Italy, my dad was actually in the Air Force. We traveled a lot when I was younger. Tell us about 14. I lived in Italy, Belgium, and Germany and then moved to the United States, went to college at Arizona State University to study engineering, gotten the software did that for about five years. Then back in mid-2019. Got into commercial real estate and I've been doing it ever since. Like you said in the introduction, I've been focusing a lot on the income-producing side of real estate. I've done several deals in the retail side shopping centers multifamily. We're starting to, I'm trying to get more into the industrial side as well to, to simulate in that. It's been great. I've been a great couple of years.
Brett:
For our listeners who are listening on capitalgainstaxsolutions.com, and on our YouTube Channel. iTunes, as well. I forgot to mention, we also bring on guests who have the expertise to 1031 exchanges with investment, property tax deferral, we'll be talking about that here in a minute as well. But if you're listening there, too, we so appreciate you the interests are a little bit different, but there's a lot of overlap there. But let's dive right back into Raphael’s story. I want to want to get into that more in a minute. But I want to take a step back to, to maybe the days in Italy. Maybe the days of amazing food and amazing culture and history and just so much stuff that Europe has to offer that Americans have. I want you to go back to those days, I believe we've all been given certain gifts in this life. Some people call them a superpower. Some people call them strengths. I believe their God-given gifts, and they've been given to us to be a blessing and help to others. I'm curious, what are those one or two gifts that you believe you were given? And how does that help you help him bless people today?
Raphael:
That's a phenomenal question. I've always been very good at dissecting very complex problems, I've always kind of had a knack for that. Along with that, I think through my experiences of traveling so much, I've had to assimilate into unique environments. Otherwise, I was kind of that kid that no one liked. Because you, you essentially get put in a situation on a regular basis where you don't know anyone.it got me to the point where I was able to relate with people very well. That helped me build a pretty sizable network by just having the fact that I was moving so much. I guess those are some of the two superpowers that I have, I really love working with on complex problems. And commercial real estate offers that opportunity. In particular, we're talking about the investment side when you start dealing with taxes and everything else.
Brett:
I especially have that background. I imagine you speak multiple languages, and graded dissecting complex problems, which is so needed right now in this industry. With so many challenges that we're facing and trying to make deals make sense, which we'll talk about here in a minute. The second thing is simulating well with others, being able to you had to move around a lot so that just naturally you had to get to know friends and connect with people quickly. Is that a fair summary?
Raphael:
I would say so. That's a very fair summary. It's one of those things where you're kind of forced into it, but you naturally adapt through just being forced in those situations.
Brett:
Well, let's dive right into what we're talking about today, which is commercial real estate brokers and investments with Raphael Collazo. Raphael, what's the I think the number one secret right now for succeeding in commercial real estate in Louisville, and I think we talk a little bit about retail, a little bit about multifamily kind of give us what you're seeing on the ground there. What's your take on opportunities and deals?
Raphael:
I think on the business generation side, obviously, technology has afforded us a lot of unique opportunities. I mean, I love the fact you're doing the podcast, I also have a podcast to YouTube several meetups as well. There are different nodes that you can put out there to be able to generate leads outside of the traditional prospecting, cold calling, not only not, that's a that's not a great opportunity to be able to do that. I still do have that in my repertoire. But there are so many other nodes you can create, from a business standpoint in order to generate a significant amount of leads through mediums like YouTube, podcasting, etc. As far as deal opportunities are concerned. I mean, we're seeing a lot of activity in the multifamily space, we have a pretty good industrial background here in Louisville. A lot of people are looking to invest in those types of properties, and particularly if you're a business owner, having the opportunity to maybe buy up a property and then lease out half of it, or how much through the through acquiring like an SBA loan is something that I've seen a lot of it in recent months, and over really over COVID. Those are just some of the things that I've seen, I don't know if you have anything particular more that you'd like to know about?
Brett:
I'm just curious about the ground, the local ground in Louisville. I mean, in your place like Nashville, Tennessee, or Tampa Bay, Florida, and in Austin, Texas, and Phoenix, Arizona, a lot of the migration from New York or California are going to these different areas. I haven't heard much about Kentucky one way or the other. I'm just curious on what's the temperature of the market? What's the kind of migration patterns? Where do you see some good opportunities?
Raphael:
I mean, we're definitely not experienced the same level of growth, as you see in some of these other larger markets. But I think we're well-positioned within the middle of the country to experience some of that growth in the near term. I think from an investment standpoint, we're well-positioned and that our market is pretty affordable. We're one of the I think I saw an article the other day that said that Louisville is one of the top 20 cities from an affordability standpoint. From a cost of living perspective, there, people can live here and have a pretty good life on not necessarily the highest salary, as you can see in some of these other larger markets. I think there's a unique opportunity for people who are looking to buy investment property in particular because you can get closer to making the math work from a cash flow perspective because I see it feel like a lot of these larger markets where you're seeing a lot of cash investment, cap rates are compressing and the cash flow almost doesn't even work. Whereas within Louisville, I feel like a lot of investment properties, cash flow pretty well.
Brett:
Affordability and seeing some growth there. How about just the ability to build, if you wanted to build 100 to 200 300 units? What's the red tape like they're in Louisville? What would it be some micro-locations that you think are up and coming?
Raphael:
It depends on the sector as you identified, there are certain subsidies within Louisville or sub-sectors within Louisville, where there may be some contention depending on what the project is, we have, we have a parcel of land that we had listed for a while we were trying to encourage a developer to come down there and build affordable housing for veterans because it was located across the street from a veteran community. That was our the veteran, hospital, I should say. That's some of the initiatives that we were pushing for just in that particular area. But there's a lot of opportunities, particularly in workforce housing, affordable housing. That's something that's really across the country. There are various sectors of the city where there's land that could be utilized to be able to develop some of this larger workforce, housing communities. Also the on the industrial side, there's a lot of industrial activity. You're seeing a lot of industrial developers starting building these massive 500 square foot facilities, and they're getting filled, which is the demand there. It's very interesting.
Brett:
Appreciate you sharing that. What would you say are the biggest challenges right now for either some of your clients, when it comes to either (A) finding deals that make sense and underwriting, or (B) just out there's so many you're getting outbid, or multiple offers, give me kind of the strategy right now they're talking to sellers and buyers.
Raphael:
From a seller's perspective, and this is something especially on the multifamily side, I've had several listings over the past couple of months, and just throwing it out there is pretty much enough you get 810 offers on a single property, even if the cash flow at the time you sell it is not justifiable, it's just there's so much money out there and people are doing 10th are exchanges where they need to place money and they're just they have to place their money somewhere. we're getting a lot of that money coming into the market. It's great for sellers as far as buyers are concerned, I mean, really just being quick and active on a deal. If you do like it, you need to execute quickly. There's a lot of situations in particular on the retail side, and sometimes primarily in the multifamily side and even sometimes on the retail side where it's hard to gain access to some of the units because of what's going on with COVID and everything. Being comfortable with making an offer, even if it's not on the scene is something that's becoming more common, which hopefully over the next six to 12 months changes, but that's just the reality that we find ourselves in.
Brett:
That's a great common question I have for a lot of my commercial real estate team and brokers that work with is the source of those listings, because listings are gold right now, and you're absolutely right, I have a couple of multifamilies since right now, it's exact same thing. It's red hot, multiple offers, and it's they're few and far between to find deals that make sense. For those deals, I'm curious about the tracking of those, or those cold call relationships from years ago, or those Podcasts, YouTube, like what meetups were, what were the source of those ones.
Raphael:
actually, it was a combination of things. The most recent ones I got, actually was, surprisingly, from postcards. Then once I got the individual reach out to those individuals, it's just closing, I have a book that I wrote, it's called Before You Sign That Lease. I created a really nice packet that explained everything that we could provide them gave him a copy of my book, and then we sat down mad, and just kind of bonded through that experience, and I was able to get two listings from one individual. There's another listing that I had, that was primarily related to the cold calling efforts, and then, through the meetups and podcast episodes, and, and YouTubes that I do, I've gotten a lot of buyer clients, and a lot of people who are looking for a property that kind of looked at me as the expert within the market.
Brett:
I heard a strategy and I'm considering doing them because I grew up in Sacramento, Roseville Bay Area, and I know this market very, very well intimate from the very beginning. There are people now and maybe you're doing I don't know but have a cameraman, you're walking the properties, you're walking locations, you're walking the schools and the restaurants and wherever you're at and, and you're just sharing what you've always shared on these tours that you normally would share with anyone anywhere, but you're just taping yourself as you do it, then you put on YouTube, and then people are like, he really knows the market because he does and then they can see that it what any strategies there that you're doing there.
Raphael:
We're looking to do with one of my business partners, that we have a development firm that we're looking to start, we're looking to do something called the Small Business Spotlight where we identify business owners within the market that are doing cool things, and just kind of sit down and interview them. There are various benefits to doing that. Number one, you get to meet business owners, which are kind of our target audience. Number two, you create a piece of content that's out there.it shows that you're in the market and the market. Then another thing is the business owners love sharing that content because it really highlights their, their goals and what they're trying to accomplish within their business. It's a kind of like a three-pronged approach when it comes to just interacting with your target audience. And obviously, what you're talking about is phenomenal to like blogging about different things that you're doing. And I've seen plenty of people doing that and they seem to be doing very well with it.
Brett:
I think that's a good idea. I think the I saw I focus on multi families like my specialty and then have I wonder if that the answer would be you go to the property manager. You're like, can you do a spotlight on the apartment complex and just kind of get your take on the occupancy and the concessions and things that are helping to bring traffic and because that's valuable too because a lot of what we do as brokers is we do rent surveys, and obviously sales comp surveys where you're figuring out why, where, and what's the pulse of the market? Are they offering concessions? Are they offering specials? Where are the leads coming from? Is it Craigslist? Is it ads? Is it print ads? Is it a postcard? Is it a referral base? If they're giving a referral what are the referrals and the wall full-size washer and dryers and they charging for rubs? Are they charging for parking and these are all these things that you're already doing? But if we put them on camera, then everyone else gets a chance to benefit from that. Any thoughts on that strategy? I'm kind of thinking out loud as I'm talking here. But what do you think about that?
Raphael:
I Agree with you I mean I every week what I do is I have a Frequently Asked Questions section and I just create a video on frequently asked questions that I get or, I think that someone would think about that is pertaining to commercial real estate and so it's just me acting like I'm sitting across the way from someone and just explaining exactly what, I would do in this particular situation and I can't tell you how many times I've had people say like that video was awesome like I didn't even know anything about that or I've had other people that I've sent the link to and said hey actually did a video on this so content is king in my opinion and I think what you're doing with this podcast is a great testament to that so cool.
Brett:
I appreciate you sharing that and I'm curious too for you mean you can plug your show because people can learn more about real estate and what you're doing what's the YouTube channel on which your podcast?
Raphael:
The YouTube Channel is just My name is Raphael Collazo and I talk about, Commercial Real Estate concepts and talk. I have several meetups that I run one is the commercial real estate one meetup, I run the local real estate investor Meetup group. Then the podcast you're referring to which actually Brett was a Guest On Our Podcast, he did a great job, learn a ton about what you're doing and it's a really interesting tax strategy, which I didn't know much about prior to having you on.it was really cool to be able to do that. But the podcast itself is called the Commercial Real Estate Academy. Essentially we're trying to become the go-to resource for all commercial real estate questions and needs whatever else. We love having people like you and other people within the industry talk about different concepts within commercial real estate because I feel like the content in commercial real estate is very fragmented. If there's a way we can kind of compress it into an area where people can go to it, it would be a benefit to the industry.
Investment Analysis and Property Management: “They see all these these these properties out there that are just trading at ridiculous cap rates and the money's the cash flow is not there and they're just like, I have to buy something. There's no other opportunity.” – Raphael Collazo
Brett:
On your meetup. You're doing like, physical local meetups, you do zoom a little bit of both. What's your strategy there? are you taping the live ones in person?
Raphael:
That is correct. That is something we've been doing. As far as the live meetups are concerned, I have been trying to film in person. We've had some technical issues the last two times, but I have the camera and everything. We're starting to do that. Filming in person. We also do a virtual meetup called commercial real estate one-on-one. I have a virtual meeting every other week. We have people tuning in from all over the country. I mean, it's pretty amazing New York, California, literally them all over the country, Florida, Texas, you name it. We have people tuned in from those locations. It's just been awesome. It's been so cool. The power of LinkedIn is amazing. I mean, that's kind of how we've grown our presence with commercial real estate, one on one meetup, and it's been great.
Brett:
That's phenomenal. It's great for your clients, too. Because all of a sudden, Raphael has been able to network across the nation. He's no longer just Louisville. He's developing relationships and connections with the 1031 Exchange buyer out of New York or California, or wherever with the brokers. I did a co meet-up with a gentleman, and it was great because he's out of Kansas City, Logan Freeman. Now the names come back to me. I go live, and we did. We did it for about six, seven weeks, it was great because I got a chance to know him. He could share his content when people come in.. We talked about me and you've been doing something like that in the future. But what's neat about it is it's like iron sharpens iron, and then you bring in, you just keep growing the network and you keep growing the knowledge, it's like the brain trust, get everyone together, share the information, build a rapport, build the trust, and then start sharing hat. I got a person who's in a bind, or he's looking to do this. I've got someone here named Raphael, that I met via the meetup and via the Commercial Real Estate Academy. He's adding value. I'm getting to know him. All of that is really, really cool. By the way, if someone wants to get in your meetup, profit, where can they find you?
Raphael:
The Commercial Real Estate 101 Meetup, it's actually on LinkedIn. We have a LinkedIn group called a Commercial Real Estate 101 Meetup and I post all the events there. We also have our link on Meetup.com and that you can you can find both commercial real estate one-on-one meetup and the local real estate investor Meetup group. there and it's pretty amazing what once you start a group and it starts to grow, we've had people come in out of the state to attend the meetup at the end of the month, like the physical meetup here in Louisville. We had a guy this last month that came in from Idaho, and I was like, you just flew in from Idaho to come to this meetup. But he was there. He was looking at properties and he's like, I'm all about it.it's pretty
Brett:
it's really really an honor. When you can serve people on that level and help them out and make a difference in their investment lives.very, very cool. I'm glad you talked about that. And big thanks for diving in that by the way, you can also learn more about Raphael Collazo, I might have messed that up, but, and I'm gonna spell this for everyone who's listening R, A, P, H, A, E, L his last name C, O, L, L, A, Z, O.com, and so you can go there. That's our raphaelcollazo.com. With that being said, let's shift a little bit to the biggest frustration with the 1031 Exchange, and Capital Gains Tax challenges. I'm curious what your take is on that for your clients, either 1030 or selling a primary home or cryptocurrency or stock doesn't qualify for 1031? What's been your biggest frustration? there's a deal story to bring this to life for us.
Raphael:
I've actually I've been working with several people who have 1031 are doing a 1031 Exchange, I haven't actually completed one as of late. Again, I've only been in the business for two years, but I have been working with several people right now. The biggest hurdle we're finding is that finding a property that's right for them and in a constricted timeframe. I think you've referenced this on time and time again you almost feel peep, some people feel like they're almost forced to buy something when in reality there are other strategies out there like you were you mentioned on your podcast all the time, that could be a better option. That's what I've been trying to kind of encourage people to explore as an opportunity. But you're right. I mean, I think that's the biggest hurdle that a lot of people face is that they see all these these these properties out there that are just trading at ridiculous cap rates and the money's the cash flow is not there and they're just like, well, shoot, I have to buy something. There's no other opportunity.
Brett:
We call the shotgun wedding. When you get you get forced between a rock and a hard place, either pay the tax or buy the property. That's where you can get hurt, because you let the investment let the tax tail wag the investment dog and you have to destroy to try to take those apart, and the only way to Take those apart is we found that gives you the flexibility and the diversification. the option to go back into real estate whenever you want is the Deferred Sales Trust, not to be confused with the Delaware Statutory Trust, which is just another form of a 1031 exchange. It's also known as a DST people get this confused all the time. You can learn more about that at capitalgainstaxsolutions.com. But if you are a commercial real estate broker, or even an investor, you should really understand this because this can unlock listings because one of the biggest challenges I have is that Marcus & Millichap, Raphael will be this.
You cold-call somebody, you start to build a report you get you got to underwrite the property, they're ready to list. Then all of a sudden, they look at the talk for their CPA and they go, and they go find me that upgrade because I don't want to pay this tax, or I'm not going to make the deal with the, with the buyer until I have my upleg or, and it became this solve for (x) which is the upleg because of (y) which is the tax, or I'm not selling for (z). At the end of the day, if you can't solve those two things, you're not selling the deal, you're not getting the listing. And so what I found is I applied the Deferred Sales Trust, and I said, look, let's just eliminate the need for the 1031. All together, let's sell your property, or let's go for your 1031. We can save a failed 1031. With the deferred sales trust. Once you understand the power of that, it gives your sellers so much leverage. It gives your seller it gives your buyers leverage because they can unlock a deal from a seller who is reluctant to sell for the same reason. At the end of the day, I would like to say Raphael's we're not in the business of selling real estate or even selling tax solutions. Like the deferred sales trust, we're in the business of solving problems. If we can solve their problem, guess what you can win the listing, or guess what you can win that deal. I encourage you to get to know about the Deferred Sales Trust, learn more and more about it. We're closing these things every single week for clients who have real problems in the crypto business, real estate saving failed 1031 Exchanges, you can go to capitalgainstaxsolutions.com you can also go to expertcresecrets.com to learn more about that as well. That being said, Raphael, any thoughts on that before we go to the lightning round?
Raphael:
No, I think you're 100% right on that. It's one of those things that a lot of people just don't think about. And it's definitely something I've been trying to educate my clients a little bit more on when it comes to the tentative rent change process. In particular, if you don't have that upleg are you identified?
Brett:
Well, let's go on to the lightning round, you're ready.
Raphael:
Always ready.
Brett:
All right, knowing what you know now, if you could go back to your 20 or 25-year-old self, what's the one Golden Nugget Make sure to tell yourself to do?
Raphael:
Just be consistent. I mean, that's the biggest thing in life. Its small daily actions add up to massive results. If I was 20 years old, if I went back to myself at 20 years old, I said, I would say don't get too hung up on the idea of you have to be a millionaire. By the time you're XYZ focus on every single day producing at a high level, but small, consistent actions every single day.
Brett:
There's a book called The Slight Edge. That's an amazing book to read about that or The Compound Effect on that.
Raphael:
That was the most that I ran, that was a book, I read The Compound Effect by Darren Hardy to change my life and my perspective.
Brett:
It's amazing, thanks for sharing that. Which leads to the second question. Besides those two books, what's the number one book you've recommended to give to the most in the past year?
Raphael:
Great question. Probably Profit First. It's a book by Mike Michalowicz that talks about how to effectively run your business and manage cash flow within your business, I think that's one of the biggest hurdles a lot of people face is that they have money coming in, and then they spend it and then all of a sudden is like, well, where'd everything go, and then you have a tax bill that comes at the end of the year, and you don't want to manage your cash flow very well. I've given that to several of my business owner friends, and it's changed the way I approach my business
Brett:
same here, and in the process of opening up multiple bank accounts, to get into profit first and get everything kind of in order. I encourage that as well. Excellent. Third question, what's the biggest obstacle facing commercial real estate brokers?
Raphael:
I think that, and again, I may be biased in this, I come from a technology background. I'm really, really big in adopting technology in any facet of your life and in particular, when you're talking about the digital age that we find ourselves in, getting on YouTube, getting on a podcast, really creating content on a regular basis, is something that in my opinion, is going to be critical going forward in the brokerage business, and those who are not doing that now are probably gonna pay for it 10 to 20 years down the line when there's a bunch of built-up content. If you're in the business right now, consider doing it because right now, it's not very saturated. There's literally not a lot of people doing this stuff. If you can stand out early on, you could be a market leader pretty quickly.
Brett:
I couldn't agree with you more. Second, the last question, what are you most curious about right now?
Raphael:
What am I most curious about? That's a great question. I don't know, I'm always been trying to find ways to optimize things that I do. There are definitely certain activities that I'm doing every single day that I probably shouldn't be doing. One of the big things that I'm exploring right now is hiring a virtual assistant for a lot of the admin work that I'm doing and some of the other functions that I probably should not be doing. I outsource like mow my lawn for example, because you, In reality, I don't like doing it. If I could pay someone to do it, that it's gonna be more efficient and likes it, then it's better for me to do it. That's one of the things that I'm more curious about is trying to optimize the way I approach my day-to-day operations.
Brett:
By the way, I have four full-time virtual assistants. Literally my, whole business would fall apart, if it wasn't for them, for their support and their team and their efforts and their strengths. He's exactly right. It's spending the time that's the highest and best use for the value of your business and for your clients. Which I found is creating content solving problems, underwriting deals, and, and, and, and in finding leads and finding opportunities for them to buy the properties or find opportunities for them and invest in the deal. I couldn't agree with you more. Last question. After all, your success, after being a broker, investor helping a lot of people, how do you stay centered in your values? How do you stay encouraged to charge forward to reach new heights?
Raphael:
That's another great question. I think the biggest thing that I've learned in life is to schedule time to do stuff because that's the biggest hurdle is you can work on your business 24 seven, and I'm kind of a workaholic, I love work I really enjoy producing at a high level. It can be very easy for me to let things fall by the wayside and not really engage with the people that I love. Being diligent about making sure that I set aside time to be able to do that with my fiance my friends, etc, is very, very important, and as far as reaching new heights, I think it's always just reassessing yourself, reevaluating your goals, and seeing how you're progressing. Because it's very easy to write a goal and say, I want to hit XYZ by the end of the year, but if you never revise it over the course of that year, you don't know if you're on track to hit it. Really, that's the key factors that I think are the game changers love it
Brett:
For our listeners who want to get in touch with you, would you remind them one last time? What's the best place for them to find you?
Raphael:
There are various ways you can get in contact with me obviously, I'm on LinkedIn, you can just type in Raphael Collazo. Then you find me I'm, I have a YouTube Channel, you can reach out through there, my numbers 502-536-7315 if you want to just have a conversation and learn a little more about the market happy to do that. then my email is raphael@grisantigroup.com and I'd be happy to answer any question again, I'm just trying to be a resource for individuals who are looking to either invest or buy or sell commercial real estate in the local area.
Brett:
By Collazo is spelled C O L L A Z O Raphael. I want to thank you for being on the show. I want to thank you for sharing your knowledge, your expertise, some of the inner workings of your business, and what you're doing. To help your clients and partners create and preserve more wealth and commercial real estate. I would encourage you to keep dissecting complex problems and making them really simple. Then also continue to play well in the sandbox with others right from all over the place right to make more friends help more people so thanks so much for being on the show. also want to thank our listeners for listening to another episode of the Capital Gains Tax solutions Podcast. As always, we believe most high net worth individuals and those who help them they struggled clarifying their Capital Gains Tax for options, and also eXpert CRE Secrets Podcast. For those who are looking for ways to grow their brokerage business level up their brokerage game it can be M&A advisors, luxury real estate, commercial real estate agents, you can learn more about that expertcresecrets.com. So much thank you so much for listening and watching this if you're watching it on YouTube, please rate review, and subscribe. We so appreciate everyone out there.
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