Becoming a Hyperlocal HyperFast Real Estate Agent with Dan Lesniak
July 7, 2022
Dan Lesniak helps real estate agents deliver massive value to their clients. He is a Billion Dollar Real Estate Agent and the Best Selling Author of “The HyperLocal, HyperFast Real Estate Agent.”
In 2012, his rookie year in real estate he sold over 22 million dollars in volume but dominated his local market after starting the Orange Line Living brand. He was the Salesperson of the Year for Century 21 Redwood Realty and one of the top real estate agents in the DC Metro market. The strategies he used that year became the basis for my best-selling book which has helped thousands of real estate agents. In 2014 after merging with the Keri Shull Team, I helped lead the number four team in the world for Keller Williams. In 2015 he co-founded Optime Realty which became the home for the Orange Line Living and Keri Shull Team. That year the team became the number one team in Virginia and in the top 40 in the United States.
Along with helping over 1,800 buyers and sellers in the last five years. He has also been a developer of several new construction homes and an investor in several real estate projects, start-up companies, and private stock offerings. He has also raised capital for these investments.
Becoming a Hyperlocal HyperFast Real Estate Agent with Dan Lesniak
Brett:
I’m excited about our next guest. He is out of the great state of Florida, and he is focused on helping you to feel your real estate business to an amazing life, and it’s about taking intentional actions, and it’s about being focused in his background is a billion-dollar real estate agent, best selling author, investor, developer, and coach. He has lost his real estate career After completing successful careers both as a Naval Submarine officer and defense contractor and his hyperlocal strategy has led to one of the fastest starts in real estate with over 22 million in sales in his first year, and so much more. Please welcome the show with me, Dan. Let’s make sure I pronounced that correctly. I probably butchered that a little bit. Dan, how’d I do this close Lesniak?
Dan:
Lesniak.
Brett:
Welcome to the show and for our listeners to get to know you for the first time, would you tell him a little bit more about your story and your current focus?
Dan:
Thank you for having me on the show. I’m excited to be on here. Help your audience, get more ideas on how to increase your income, whether you’re a real estate agent, investor, or just someone looking to, to do more business because I think the strategies that I applied can work in anything, and you mentioned that my first year I sold 22 and a half million, how did I do it, and it all was based on a strategy of applying the most effort the most focus to the smallest amount of area, that would still give me enough market share. I think that’s where people struggle, they start too wide, too broad, and they’re spread too thin, and they can’t make an impact and they can’t gain market share. You want to come up with a framework to figure out how can you find a marketplace that’s untapped that you can add value to and gain market share. That’s kind of how I got my start back in 2012.
That was my first-year full time as an agent, I started part-time the year before, and build up a business quickly enough that it made it silly for me to stay my job. I did that for a year, started to build out a team after that, and I’ve grown since then, and along with my wife, we’ve built up a real estate team that now has about 80 agents will sell around 1200 homes or this year, all in the DC area, and we’ve also built out a podcast, a coaching program to train agents, the hyper-fast agent program, and now we’re developers as well. We’ve got about 200 condos in our condo doors units in our pipeline, our development pipeline in the DC area, and, we’re It all started though from having this hyperlocal strategy and really being able to figure out how to grow fast in a niche market.
Brett:
We’re gonna talk about that here in a minute, and thanks for sharing that little bit of the background, Dan. Dan will take one other step back, though, before we dive into the topic at hand, and it’s this, perhaps go back to your high school days or your college days, earlier years, and I believe we’ve all been given certain gifts in this life. Some people call them strengths, some people call them superpowers, I believe there are God-given gifts they’ve been given to us to be a blessing and help to others. I’m curious, what are those one or two gifts that you believe you were given? How does it help you help and bless people today?
Dan:
I think it’s the ability to really stay focused on whatever the most important task is to get to whatever goal I’m pursuing at the time. I’m really good at kind of putting on the blinders tuning out things that don’t matter, and just keeping my head down and focusing on the stuff that will make an impact, and I felt like I’ve kind of had that gift. For a long time, whether it’s, high school, high school hall getting better in my position, or taking my next step in my career in the Navy, it’s really what needs to get done.
Brett:
Absolutely love and that’s a big gift, and I think it’s super-powered in today’s world with distractions and a lot of noise and a lot of shiny objects. Now let’s apply that to the topic at hand which is becoming a hyperlocal hyperfast, perhaps even hyperbolic Focus real estate agent. Dan, what’s the first step, the first secret to on to becoming exactly what we just said.
Dan:
I think the key is to take a step back and get an overall plan. A lot of builders start off their career, I think they don’t really have a plan. I learned this framework actually in a business school called STP, which I think they teach everyone like in marketing 101 and business school now, but it stands for segmentation, targeting, and positioning. the first step is to segment your market that can be geographic, lifestyle, occupation, like, figure out how do you if, if the market is a pie, how would you chop it up, and there are lots of ways to do that. But geographic is probably the one that for real estate, at least, that comes the most easily in people’s minds, but there are tons of ways to do it. The next step is targeting. Alright, you’ve got all these different segments. Now you got to pick which 1 am I going to go after? The smaller I think the better when you’re starting out. Most people struggle with, having it, not be too big, or they want to be the agent for their whole city.
If you’ve got a town of 50,000 people, it’s gonna be hard to compete on Google, it’s gonna be hard to compete if you’re, if you’re trying to market to everyone, especially when you compare it to what if you just cut a certain neighborhood? What if you tried to become the real estate agent for all of the doctors in town. In that example, instead of going after 50,000 people who after 500 or 1000 and you’re going to be able to get ads in front of them more cost-effectively, you’re gonna be able to get more direct mail however your marketing you’re gonna be able to reach, 500 or 1000 people a lot easier. You got to pick a target segment that is not too big but it’s it can’t be too small like you don’t want to get a 100% share of five people that’s not enough. Obviously, you got to be a certain size but and then the last step in this framework is positioning, how are you going to position yourself as someone that can add unique value and then communicate that to them in a clear and concise, and consistent manner?
Brett:
We’re gonna apply that to your story and how you did this to start it outright? By the way, you can learn more about Daniel at HyperFastAgent.com. HyperFastAgent.com. Talk about it. You get you to jump right in, and what was your boots on the ground, to niche down and to focus and to do the segmentation, targeting, and positioning.
Dan:
I decided to try and become the real estate agent for one condo. I’m in Arlington, Virginia, there’s, I think about a quarter of a million people that live there. Decent size city, not as big as some but still pretty big. I didn’t go after 250,000 people, I went after 200. There are about 190 units in this one condo building, and I think I think another thing too, that with succeeding there was the building was about three years old, and that is an ideal time, I think if you’re an agent who’s new or just looking to expand into new markets if you can find a neighborhood that’s about three years old. turnover is about to start happening, and there’s no established agent in there. Because probably what happened is the builders sold it had an agent that sold it, and they kind of moved on and did something else, and they probably haven’t stayed in touch. There’s no dominant agent yet, and sales are coming. It’s a great way to go compete where there’s not a lot of people, neighborhoods, or buildings that are about three years old.
Brett:
Totally smart. Makes sense.
Dan:
That’s was my reasoning for what I did, and I hit this group of people with, multiple types of marketing, Facebook, Facebook Groups as making Facebook groups back, or pages, I think back then. I did open houses. I did buyer seminars, for the building. I did weekly email newsletters, five or six or seven different ways is networking. I think a lot of times in my book, I talk about, finding gatekeepers. Those are people that know a lot about a certain group of people. In my case, it was the person who worked as the front desk manager, they often knew who was gonna move out and that lead our sales to just knowing that knowing you go, purposely tried to talk to you. All of those kinds of methods, some new some traditional I did it all and it was all focused on two people. Boy and I ended up getting half the sales in that building that year.
Brett:
Really segmenting down to literally one complex. They had about 190 units and focused like a laser by serving that community. Educational, seminars, buyers understanding anything to add value open houses, that community Facebook groups multiple ways to just provide value and in focus like a laser so when did your first sale come when? How did that go down?
Dan:
I think though, the first one was a buyer I found they don’t have this category, I believe on Zillow anymore is on Zillow make me move. That’s a type of listing that used to be available on Zillow it’s not anymore, but it basically was kinda like a for sale by owner but the person really wasn’t selling they were just saying throwing a number out there kind of a high number typically and saying if I get this number hold move you can make me move I’m not looking to sell but I’ll do it for I used to contact all those when I saw them and, these people were looking for our single-family home in the area and help them find that and then I listed their condo it sold really quickly, pretty close to right at the price that their kind of dream price if they wanted on Zillow. I think that was a couple of months after I got my license. It didn’t take too long. I was still working my contractor job at the time. It was I did about two sales. I think before my pipeline got so big that I quit that job.
Brett:
Now let’s apply this perhaps to the investor, the person who’s trying to buy multifamily properties trying to do some targeting to unlock opportunities, maybe off-market. How would you apply that concept to the investor?
Dan:
I think investors are gonna get the best deals if they can find the deal off-market most of the deals that we do now for condo developments that especially the ones that have really high margins, seem to be off-market deals. It’s very rare as an investor that we buy an on-market deal because we get a better deal off-market. If you’re an investor, I think you know, you need to look at the Facebook marketplace, Craigslist, Zillow, for sale by owners. I think knocking on doors have, is a good strategy for networking with contractors, engineers, architects, a lot of times these people know when a good deal is going to come. You can do some Google PPC-type stuff as well to get them to come to you. But I think oftentimes it’s those deals you find through the kind of boots on the ground networking and knocking on doors kind of stuff. Really sweet deals.
Brett:
What’s the next step? Once you’ve done the segmentation, targeting, and positioning, you’re starting to niche down, then you’re starting to focus, you start to get some momentum, what’s the next step to becoming a hyper, hyper-fast hyper-local real estate agent?
Dan:
You got it, you got to take that positioning that you’ve developed and, and come up with a way to market it to people, I think it’s got to be clear, concise, consistent. You have to consistently hit them with that message, your value proposition message, you have to consistently be consistent about it, from the moment they see your marketing to your initial sales meeting to, to you know, even after you’ve closed the deal. It’s got to be the same message throughout, it’s got to be congruent, and I think you got it, you got to come up with a way to convey it to people concisely. You’ve got to be able to explain it to them, and under 30 seconds. If they see it in an ad. They’ve got to understand it’s got to be something they can understand within a few seconds. I think if you don’t meet that criteria, we mentioned earlier in today’s world, there’s a lot of distractions. People aren’t going to take 10 seconds to look at your ad or read your email. They’ve got to get it right away, whatever that value proposition is. To that targeting, segment your targeting. They’ve got to be able to understand it quickly from your marketing and everything you do.
Brett:
Clear, concise, and consistent messaging, and throughout the sales cycle before, during, and after, and that makes sense, and obviously setting up systems and processes to be able to do this, and then to build out teams and delegate, I imagine this is all a part of this as well. What are the other things that perhaps most agents are missing that you could also add to this as well?
Dan:
I think first to start out, have your initial success get to that 100k to 250k level. I think those are the things I’d highlight. To go beyond that. I think you got to really learn how to build out a team, and I think a lot of agents and investors struggle with this, they, they get to a high level of success, a level where they’re making six figures, even multiple, six figures. But they get stuck there, and they have a good situation at this point. The problem is they’re trading time for money, they own their job, they’re self-employed, they don’t own a business yet. Once you kind of get through these steps, get market share, the next step is to expand and scale and you need people, you need to go out and hire admin people service type people first, and then go get more agents. Most agents though, get to this level of income, and for some reason, they won’t go out and hire administrative help, and they get stuck, they get busy and they can’t grow.
Becoming a Hyperlocal Hyperfast Real Estate Agent: “Stay focused on whatever the most important task is. I'm really good at kind of putting on the blinders tuning out things that don't matter, and just keeping my head down and focus on the stuff that will make an impact.” - Dan Lesniak
Brett:
Got it. Getting out of their own way and making sure you’re hiring wisely. First, you build the foundation of admin and support and for service client support services, then looking to hire that maybe that new sale or bring on that new sales agent, listing by side. Is that a fair summary?
Dan:
That is what I think people get, they get nervous about paying a salary. They’ll hire a commission-based salesperson before their admin, and guess what, now they have an admin but it’s when they’re the admin for themselves and their new salesperson, and so it makes the problem worse.
Brett:
It’s a mindset thing, I see you’ve been coached by Tony Robbins, this group, and Grant Cardone, maybe and then personally. What was your story to overcoming to getting out of your own way?
Dan:
I think the biggest thing that going to those events and going to those coaching sessions, the biggest help it was really was just seeing people succeed at high levels, but the people that, a few years ago, where we’re maybe we’re where I was at the time. I think just surrounding myself with people that were a few years or more ahead of me, that really helped me see what was possible, and I think that’s one of the biggest reasons to listen to podcasts like this or go to events is to get around the right people.
Brett:
By the way, you can learn more about Daniel at HyperFastAgent.com, it’s HyperFastAgent.com, and he has a book there too, that you could check out and then coaching programs, everything else. Really cool, Dan. We’re going to shift here a little bit to Capital Gains Tax and geek out a little bit on some winning stuff. Are you ready?
Dan:
Let’s do it.
Brett:
Alright, what’s your biggest frustration when it comes to either your clients, friends, family, when it comes to selling how does he appreciate primary homes or investment real estate, as it pertains to the 1031 Exchange?
Dan:
I think a lot of agents aren’t familiar with it. I know a lot of my real estate agents when it comes up, they’ve got questions for me on it. I think probably just the unfamiliarity. A lot of people have it, and it’s something that most people don’t do a lot of. When it does come up, and there are things that you need to know about it that most don’t, and then I think another thing that’s probably problematic is if the client doesn’t do this correctly, they’ve got a lot less money to go buy their next home. I think for real estate agents, that’s probably a big pain point as well.
Brett:
Knowing their options, and knowing what 1031 is what it can do what it can’t do. Like you can’t do a primary home. We just did an $8.3 million deal in Palo Alto for a primary home seller. 1031 did not qualify for how can you actually be a top KW Agent there in Palo Alto for many years, and it was for his own house, and he sold and deferred a bunch of tax using what’s called a Deferred Sales Trust and for our listeners, if you want to learn more about that and go to CapitalGainsTaxSolutions.com but if you’re an agent, listen to this. You want to know each tool what it can do what it can’t do so that you can add value because at the end of the day Dan, tell me if you’re not adding value are you. We’re not really in the business of selling real estate or selling tax deferral or giving education, we’re in the business of solving problems, and the moment you can solve problems is the moment you win the listing, or the more you know more about the property that the person is selling are the deals next door are a way to solve the problem is the moment you win the listing. Can you talk a little bit about your being a problem solver?
Dan:
That’s what real estate is. You’re solving financial and emotional problems for people. It’s a little bit of both, for sure. You’re providing a service, and it’s confusing. The tax laws are complicated. They’re always changing. I mean, right now, there’s a ton of proposals on the table, and I don’t if you’re a consumer out there, how do you plan for that, in the next 90 days, you don’t know what’s going to become a lot or are not. They need people that are up to date on all of this stuff, and can find solutions to the challenges that are that we know about? The ones that may come up that we still don’t know about?
Brett:
That being said, are you ready for a lightning round?
Dan:
Let’s do it.
Brett:
All right, knowing what you know now if you go back to your 25-year-old self, what’s the one Golden Nugget Make sure to tell yourself to do?
Dan:
I would have started earlier in real estate. But that’s everyone kind of says that. I’ll switch to saying have multiple exit strategies for every deal you do.
Brett:
Second question. How do you are what’s the number one book you’ve recommended the most in the past year?
Dan:
I think one I’ve enjoyed a lot this year is David Goggins book. I’m blanking on the name of it right now though, but he’s just got such an amazing story and a very motivational one.
Brett:
Check that out, David Goggins. Next question, what are you most curious about right now?
Dan:
Probably the tax law changes that are coming up. I mean, there are potential changes to the limits on the 1031. There’s a proposal to Nix the ability of self-directed IRAs to invest in like anything that is for credit investors. There’s, there’s a lot of stuff that affects real estate on the docket, and that hopefully, we’ll figure out here in the next 30, 60 days or so.
Brett:
As we were watching that very, very closely. Next question, Is this What’s your favorite leadership quote, or theme that you strive to live by?
Dan:
I think it’s the Wayne Gretzky, one comes to the top of my head where, you skate to where the puck is going, not where it’s at. I think it’s just always knowing the market, knowing the playing field, and staying ahead of that.
Brett:
Fantastic last question. After all your success, helping all the agents build out 1200 business partners in real estate agents, buying real estate, having the family everything else writing the cool book and another coaching program, how do you stay centered in your values? How do you stay encouraged to charge forward to reach new heights?
Dan:
I love that question. For me, it’s kind of having time each day to spend time and gratitude and it doesn’t always have to be, about the big thing, sometimes it’s just seeing the sunrise, or, exercising outdoors, or I just got back from a great hunting trip or I took my son on. Just finding time to be, in gratitude, and, I’m motivated right now most to get to newer and bigger heights by my family. I want to have more time and more resources to do more cool epic things with them and, and leave a legacy for them and others. It’s really my family that motivates me the most right now.
Brett:
Dan, I want to thank you for being on the show, and I want to thank you for sharing your wisdom with us. I want to encourage you to keep using your ability to stay focused right and do the most important tasks to help yourself and others reach and accomplish their goals, and for our listeners who want to get in touch with who would remind him one last time what’s the best place for them to find you.
Dan:
You can go to HyperFastAgent.com or just follow my personal Instagram account I answer my DM’s on there so check out.
Brett:
Thanks, Dan, for being on the show and also want to thank our listeners for listening to another episode of the Capital Gains Tax Solutions Podcast also streaming on expert CRE Secrets Podcast as well hey, where we believe most high net worth individuals and those who helped them they struggled clarifying their Capital Gains Tax Deferral Options don’t have any clear plan is the enemy and using a proven tax pro strategy such as the Deferred Sales Trust is the best way for you to exit highly appreciate real estate sales in 1031 Exchange, sell business or cryptocurrency, and or if you’re a real estate professional, help others unlock. Get unlocked, be able to sell their own primary homes or real estate as well. Please go to CapitalGainsTaxSolutions.com if you want to learn more about that, please rate review, subscribe. We so appreciate everyone out there and we hope to talk soon.
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